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The Intervention Plot

©2006, Jack Trimpey, all rights reserved.
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This blog often uses male pronouns when
gender is irrelevant, the old-fashioned way.

Family addiction intervention is a practice with its origins in the 1970’s, when American society was in flux from social unrest stemming in part from an outbreak of mass, runaway addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The result of that turmoil has been the emergence of a social movement based upon the values and beliefs of addicted people themselves, a quiet shift in mainstream thinking that has gained considerable momentum in recent years. Concepts from the recovery group movement have given rise to an enormous addiction treatment industry, hungry for the lucrative, repeat business of clients in the throes of unresolved, chronic addiction. One anomaly spawned by the addiction treatment industry is an aggressive marketing concept, addiction intervention, which was hijacked from its legitimate 32nd cousin, crisis intervention.

Addiction intervention is based entirely upon 12-step recoveryism, which denies that free will exists among addicted people. An intervention is a conspiracy by a family to abduct a family member, whom I’ll call a subject, into a treatment center. Not surprisingly, a professional guild of interventionists has formed around this legally and ethically challenged practice. Under the guidance of an Interventionist, families convene a little “surprise party” for the addicted family member during which they use highly manipulative, frankly dishonest, and deceitful means to coerce submission to addiction treatment. These house parties are usually presided over by an Interventionist whose professional ancestry is closer to bounty hunter than to social worker or therapist, although many social workers and therapists engage in or advocate addiction interventions. Nearly always, Interventionists are members of AA/NA themselves, giving rise to inherent conflict of interest.

Interventionists work weeks or months in advance of the planned hit, making preparations for abduction with the cooperation of the family. The Interventionist recruits the subject’s near and distant relatives, co-workers, employers, old friends, neighbors, and anyone else who can be enlisted into the noble cause of abduction. Various means of emotional blackmail and intimidation through shame and guilt are rehearsed, and sensitive information about the subject is collected for later use during the hit. Interventions are carefully scripted, to be done “just so,” so that the chances of escape or backlash are minimized. Informed consent to treatment is denied and suppressed, often under the pretext that the proceedings are ethically proper, legally sanctioned coercion similar to arrest or detention.

van.jpgIn essence, the intervention is sprung exactly like a surprise birthday party, except that the prevailing mood and agenda are considerably different. The room is already stacked with VIP’s from the subject’s life, and the Interventionist calls the abduction to order. Each VIP exudes love as the only purpose in being present, and then recites rehearsed lines about the subject’s disgusting behavior and betrayals. Outside, is likely an idling, white van, treatment center logo on door. When the intervention is successful the subject implodes emotionally, falling into a sobbing heap to be led off to the waiting van.


Discussion
If addiction treatment benefited addicted people, one might defend the practice of addiction intervention based upon that data. Family interventionism is quite controversial, inviting criticism from many quarters. However, there is no data showing that addiction treatment is better than doing nothing about the problem, nor has intervention produced any basis in successful outcomes.

To the contrary, addiction intervention is most likely to be harmful to the entire family, for a number of reasons. We believe that the family unit, for all its troubles and problems, is the highest level of human organization, without exception. Families are the cradle of life, where life begins, where life is protected, nutured, and that family bonds amount to a biological guarantee of survival. All for one; one for all. Intervention is surrender by the family to an external source of authority that will forever define the rules of family life. Even so, the original addiction will never be resolved.

The belief that families breed addiction, through their genes or dysfunctions, is a typical inversion so common to addictive thinking, a thinking style we call the Addictive Voice. Obviously, addiction breeds sorrows, anger, poverty, and conflict. Addiction is the embedded traitor, the enemy within. Families, therefore, have no responsibility to protect an addicted family member. The family’s first priority is to protect itself against its addicted member.

Face it; by considering intervention, you’ve already proved beyond any doubt that you cannot come between an addict and his precioussss stuff. That is because addiction is essentially a survival drive, gone amok. In jails, prisons, and hospitals, addicts get high on alcohol and other drugs. Addiction intervention is an impossibility, from the start!

What, then, should we do?
It would be irresponsible for me to discourage the use of intervention tactics but offer nothing better. The better mousetrap you seek is not Rational Recovery, but your own family, which is the carrier of a rich heritage of traditions, beliefs, and values that have withstood the rigors of survival over many generations.

AVRT-based recovery is the application of your original family values to the problem of addiction in the family. It is based upon belief in free will and knowledge of good and evil. The disease concept of addiction is dismissed as an example of Addictive Voice, and addiction is viewed as the ultimate self-indulgence, the quest for physical pleasure at the expense of enormous harm to the family. We know that independent recovery from addiction is commonplace, easy, rewarding, and can be learned. AVRT® is the lore of self-recovery from substance addiction in a brief, educational format.

No family can survive the presence of addiction. There may remain cohabitation, uneasy tolerance, and certain kinds of cooperation, but family bonds are tested and defeated by any member’s loyalty to something that itself is destructive to the family. Addiction demands all of a subject’s loyalty, all of his resources, his very soul. Addiciton is ruthless and will suck a family into the realm of addiction, where everyone plays by the rules of addiction, beginning with tolerance for the continued use of alcohol and other drugs. Addiction will exhaust all of a family’s financial and emotional resources, and demand more.

Neither you nor your family is dysfunctional, nor do any of you suffer from the mythical disease of codependency, but your survival as individuals and as a family is directly threatened by the presence of a traitor within.

Let me be plain about this. Intervention is nothing more nor less than abduction of an addicted person into 12-step recoveryism, a world of never-ending addiction where recovery is prohibited, and where one-day-at-a-time sobriety with the help of a self-made god is the highest aspiration of everyone involved. In that inverted world, the family bears a great burden of change, to become supportive of the subject, to undertake massive personal change, to tolerate the lifelong threat of sudden relapse, to preserve the subject’s privilege to have yummy relapses under certain, undefined conditions, to deny the immorality and betrayal of addiction.

Intervention says goodbye.
If you instigate or collaborate with an intervention, you will never see the original, pre-addiction version of your loved one again. Intervention presents him with the impossible dilemma of choosing between two intolerable alternatives, active addiction and life in recovery. He may flee, almost certainly to deeper waters, or he may surrender his identity, his autonomy, his free will, his original family values, his dignity, and his freedom. From hospital windows he’ll look out to a world in which he has failed, and his release will be to a subculture deeply offensive to his true nature. Most of the people he’ll meet at the hospital will be chronic addicts who have had multiple admissions to detox and rehab, and are now completing addiction’s cycle of despair. Intervention denies your addicted family member the dignity of choosing between addiction and the benefits of family inclusion. Worst of all, intervention denies him the very real possibility of independent recovery through moral action — planned, permanent abstinence.

Addiction itself is betrayal of the family, but intervention is betrayal of the addicted family member. Intervention denies the dual nature of addiction, compresses the human spirit into the mold of addiction, and ships the sobbing heap out the front door to a treatment center. When you do this, the animal within him will see you as the worst kind of enemy, threatening its survival. It will lash out against you emotionally, and the wounds may never heal, and the chances of him emerging whole are slim.

Before he became addicted, he was an original soul, a core person you loved but is now missing. That soul disappeared when he was transformed by the unspeakable pleasure of addiction into an animal — an intelligent, well-spoken, party animal, a Beast whose first priority and loyalty is to the high life, the pleasure of alcohol and other drugs. The original person is still “in there,” but the call of wild is overriding his better judgment and running his life. Only desperate straits will call him out, if at all.

If he does emerge from the addiction treatment center, in recovery, and attends the standard ninety AA/NA meetings in ninety days, then attends meetings less urgently, and then begins to build up “sober-time,” you will have to work hard to keep up with or at least accept his increasing weirdness. You will have to wear the yoke of “codependent” or “enabler,” and bear some of the responsibility for his degeneracy. You will take second place to, “Sorry, honey, my recovery comes first,” and evenings of meetings, meetings, meetings. Intervention consigns addicted people to a sick ward from which only the infirm emerge, self-described, defective people incapable of moral conduct derived from family values, requiring evening supervision to abstain from alcohol and other drugs.

It’s very difficult to see your beloved spouse, child, or parent as a disgusting, immoral, stinky lush or drunk. The disease concept of addiction is simply denial of the moral dimension of addiction and recovery, a viewpoint that requires all other truth to be inverted in order to fit. The disease idea is a wonderful illusion that transforms the ASS in your family into a disease victim in need of skilled, professional care. As a codependent, you can stop being angry and disgusted and discover newfound compassion for the sick one who has been frightening the children and stinking up the house. Disease thinking feels better in the short run, but leads to the endless loop of recoveryism.

The necessary confrontation
However, once you have quickly studied AVRT®, you can take advantage of that sophisticated device by planning a confrontation. While intervention is monistic, viewing your addicted family member as a globally diseased, defective being, AVRT® views him as a human being occupying an animal’s body that has come to experience addictive pleasure as a survival drive. Therefore, when you sit down with him, under conditions that make sense to you, you can force him to make a decision between his addiction and conditions you have already decided upon.

A good summary of the zero-tolerance ultimatum is posted at the website, plus an article in the subscription area about how to set the stage for your addicted family member to take positive action that will preserve everyone’s freedom and dignity. As a subscriber to the RR website, you will have access to substantial resources on AVRT-based recovery. Also available to subscribers are the the Rational Recovery Discussion Forums, where addicted people stage their own recovery through planned, permanent abstinence. A Family Forum provides satisfying answers about AVRT-based recovery and zero-tolerance in the family. The bookstore has an audio CD, Zero-Tolerance in the Family, which provides general guidance to families faced with the crisis of addiction.

Plan B
Your addicted family member may choose his addiction over you and the family and storm out of your life. Are you ready for that? Of course, Plan A is that your family member will accept zero-tolerance for continued self-intoxication, but Rational Recovery helps families to formulate Plan B, the action that will be taken in the event of continued substance abuse.

You may already be aware that your addicted family member left you years ago, and you’ve been living with the loveless, animal shell of the one you once loved. It’s possible that, confronted with zero-tolerance, he will say goodbye. However, in the mode of confrontation, which forces the choice, his self-determination is preserved, and you aren’t the one using deception to gain your ends, as in intervention.

The truth is that very often addicted people will choose the family over addiction; in fact, it is the threat of such intolerable loss that summons up the original soul to take command at last. In that event, the crown jewel of addiction recovery, Addictive Voice Recognition Technique® (AVRT®), is available to guide him through the short journey to life after addiction.

I believe in your addicted family member’s ability to summarily quit the use of alcohol and other drugs based upon the basic beliefs and values common to your family of origin. I believe that your native beliefs and family values are vastly superior to those of the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, the members of recovery groups everywhere, and of all of the professional counselors of America, combined.

Keep the faith that brought your family into existence, and which is very probably the only set of values that can restore your addicted family member to his original identity, and allow for eventual reconciliation based upon sincerity and common sense.

Fiction, stranger than truth
As if matters weren’t bad enough for addicted people and their families, now the A&E channel has a weekly program, Intervention, portraying the high drama of families struggling with their addicted members. As reality TV, Intervention gets a failing grade due to its orchestration by professional couselors who bend the drama to fit the mythology of addictive disease.

Is A&E’s Intervention a useful resource for families with real problems with real alcoholics and other substance abusers? I think the show should be introduced with the warning, “Don’t try this at home, ever!”

42 Responses to “The Intervention Plot”


  1. Jodie

    Hi,

    I’m the Jodie from your site. My subscription has run out but I still check back here occasionally. I wanted to leave some quick thoughts on the A&E show Intervention. I admit to watching it out of morbid curiosity. The most startling, though little commented on, aspect of the show comes at the end when they summerize the subjects progress. I would have to say that nearly every adict who enters recovery though this show eventually relapses. I can’t remember seeing a successful outcome.

    With this track record, I have to ask myself why they continue to promote intervention and rehab as viable options for their subject families and for their viewers. It seems beyond irrisponsible.
    Thank you for your commitment to sanity and free will.

  2. dr.bomb

    A documentary aired on HBO last year called “Rehab”. At the end of the show, only one person was abstinent at the two-year mark. A statistic aired on the program stated that 20% succeed in remaining abstinent. That’s an 80% failure rate. And, per the industry’s “Enron math”, I’m guessing that the success rate is even lower, since I believe that dropouts are not counted, even though they should be.
    I’m amazed that people don’t see the obvious, even when the failure rate clearly stated on the air. I just don’t get it. The emperor is as naked as a jaybird.

  3. Ronald

    My family did an intervention on me on 11/15/83… It saved my life and brought me to a place that I did not have the strength to get to on my own.
    I have been sober and in recovery with out interruption since.

  4. Jack Trimpey

    However, the Intervention Plot thickens.

    Ronald, the grateful, recovering alcoholic above, who’s been in recovery for 23 years following his own abduction, has climbed the 12-step ladder to become an interventionist in his own right. Once bitten, he now bites others, converting neophytes, vampire-style, into his own kind.

    Ronald is a Certified Drug and Alcohol Counselor (CDAC), a marginal counseling paper created by the 12-step syndicate, and awarded by college departments quite isolated from mainstream academia. That paper, in conjunction with working a good 12-step program, is very likely his only qualification for wielding enormous power over the lives of extremely vulnearble, addicted people.

    It is highly significant that Ronald saw no reason to inform you or me that he is a member of AA engaged gainfully as a provider of addiction treatment services. He only reported that intervention benefitted him somehow, and that he’s been attending meetings ever since. That kind of subterfuge is the typical stance of the “two-hatter,” the AA member in professional employment who hides his cult ties from his clients as he inducts them into his own religious cult.

    Ronald, your behavior is outrageous! I denounce you and all of your certifying and accrediting agencies! You are doing your own 12-step program at your place of employment, and you misrepresent yourself on the Internet. You are a sociopath, in the style of your cultic ancestors, Bill W and Dr. Bob.

    This is the core problem, a syndicate of 12-step recovery, that exists just below the radar throughout our social service system, in courts, hospitals, clinics, social welfare agencies, employers, and even churches that have forgotten the face of evil. Steppers like Ronald abound in our social service system, advancing their self-serving agenda, setting social policies that transform our society into a gigantic funnel that pours citizens into the recovery group movement. Once they are disabled by the disease concept of addiction, they fill the caseloads of “two-hatters” like Ronald.

  5. Tim

    Jack, how did you find out that info about Ronald? Just curious…

  6. CTMS

    In my years of 12 step involvement, I learned that one of the primary reasons members are required to maintain anonymity “at the level of press, radio, television…”is to protect the organization’s image if the member later “relapses.” The short and long term success rates were extremely low for the groups I attended (no statistics available on the organization as a whole). It would be detrimental for the 12 step image if the public was reminded of this frequently by “relapsing” members who had gone public.

  7. Jack Trimpey

    Vee haff aur vays…

  8. Mark

    I challenge you to prove what you say about Ronald. “We have our ways” in a pathetic German accent attempt is not funny nor is your supposed character assassination. Your anger and resentments just ooze all over the place there Jack.

  9. Mark

    I think I’ll attempt this challenge to you again Jack, only this time I’ll take a screenshot so I can begin to develop evidence to discredit you.

    Based on what Ronald has said on this entry, prove to the world looking in on this Blog what you have said about Ronald. No spins, just cold, hard facts that will help anyone reading your words know that you speak the truth.

    Unless, of course, you can’t do that, in which case you will have proven yourself to be without credibility.

    Pretty lame attempt at a German accent BTW – Jack boy…

  10. Clare

    I’d like to know how you got the evidence about Ronald too.
    I think that the site is great, it makes sense. Having tried to get into the 12 step thing and failed. (But still not drinking) I found it like a breath of fresh air. The credibilty would definately be greater if you can prove what you said against Ronald

  11. Dianne

    My son was featured in one of the very first A&E “Intervention” shows. He accepted the “gift” of recovery and was wisked away to Palm Springs to an exclusive rehab. He didn’t last a month. He’s been spiraling out of control for well over a total of six years. Periodically he picks himself up, wipes himself off and enters another rehab. All to no avail. I’ve emailed him information about Rational Recovery. Who knows…

  12. CTMS

    While Jack Trimpey’s personal credibility might be impacted by the truth or falsehood of the statements about Ronald, the credibility of the Rational Recovery approach and Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT) has little to do with that post. The credibility of RR and AVRT is ultimately proven by the success rate those who have educated themselves on and used the approach to kick their unhealthy habits.

    CTMS

  13. soberbri

    Mixing some semi-truths with self-serving lies reeks of the same sociopathic tendancies you accuse others of having. I expect politicians do this, but I wouldn’t expect it from fellow addicts who profess a desire to help others. You will help me, for a price? No thanks.

    Do you have any idea how many people you have likely killed? I have no idea what your selling (it’s probably some “think positive” bs), but I am not buying. Positive thinking was not going to allow me to repair the damage that I (in my addiction) caused. It was not going to show me how to deal with the self centeredness and predisposition towards resentments that overshadowed my life well before I ever took the first drink.

    AA may have its faults but at least it shows people how to live a moral life in service to others. For me it has reminded me of the moral lessons that I had forgotten from childhood. A return to values, that can not be purchased online from virtual snake oil salesmen. You’ll get no blood money from me, but thanks for letting me share.

  14. Mark

    “The credibility of RR and AVRT is ultimately proven by the success rate those who have educated themselves on and used the approach to kick their unhealthy habits.”

    If Jack doesn’t do it, which one of his henchmen makes up those numbers?

    Nice try, but, doesn’t work. Neither does putting people in harms way for money which is what this is all about. Oh No! He made the money argument! Okay, proceed with your lamea** spewage about that…..

    So… what about Ronald?

  15. dr.bomb

    Interesting: To a 12-stepper, people who quit their addictions, and then teach others how to quit, are putting people in harm’s way. On the other hand there’s AA, which literally talks people out of quitting. All predatory AA’s should to be outed!

  16. alice

    Wow, what a conversation! Lots of emotion around this subject. I’ve never had the pleasure of being in AA, but since I haven’t lived in a closet all my life, I am certainly familiar with it.

    Here’s what I find wrong with AA. It makes alcohol into a mysterious, all powerful monster instead of a bad habit. It has everyone believing that you can’t quit drinking unless you become an alcoholic (by admitting you are). Therefore I think it has actually deterred people from taking the wise course of quitting drinking because they didn’t want to become an alcoholic, go to meetings and dig up the past for the rest of their lives.

  17. John

    I am proud to relay that I have been priveleged to help set up over 550 successful chemical dependancy interventions. In the 15+ years I have been in this field , I have expierenced 95% + acceptance of the intervention goal. Many lives and the now educated lives of families ,touched by this illness, have been altered positively. Not just for the moment but for the rest of their lives and generations to come.
    i have been in recovery for 22+ years from alcohol and rx drug addiction. I owe my life to conventional treatment and AA.
    There is “NO” easier or softer way!!!

  18. Jack Trimpey

    John,

    Surveys of all existing research on addiction treatment find no outcome data to support those services. I will be publishing a blog entry soon summarizing the dismal outcomes of addiction treatment.

    However, though our differences run deep and are irreconcilable, I respect that you at least disclosed your dual relationship here. Not so with others of your “two-hatting” colleagues who fail to mention their cult ties, i.e., “Ronald,” above. I hope you also make it clear to those you abduct that you are a member of the organization into which you are abucting them.

  19. alice

    “I have expierenced 95% + acceptance of the intervention goal.”

    Of course the goal (abstinence) is acceptable and almost everyone who is forced into rehab will eventually accept where they are for the time being. The problem is that the disease model is not a tool which works.

    “There is “NO” easier or softer way!!!”

    Well I guess since you have devoted 22 years of your life to AA, it might piss you off to find out that there is an easier way which actually works.

  20. DTM

    I adhere to the thought that it is not the alcohol but it is the convenience. A known pain is better than an unknown pleasure. It is a warm hole to nestle your head into.
    I did enjoy reading a book somewhat entitled Alcohol;Addiction Treatment Out of Control’…it was lambasted years ago because it refuted the addiction treatment industry while at the same time uncondoning the behavior. One of the premises was that it was not a disease because once it is called a disease we aren’t responsible or liable. Bullshit…
    The known recidivism from AA is upwards of 95%…find the book. This seems like a soul saving approach to normalcy and I just found this website. I am functioning but aware and don’t feel I have to be destroyed to ”find” myself.
    Thanks

  21. Mark

    Boy, do I have a story to tell about the rehab/AA racket. I will go into more detail if appropriate or useful, but here is the short version: My wife decided I was an alcoholic and arranged a very painful intervention for my family(three college age children). None of my friends or siblings would attend, as they did not think I was an “alcoholic”. Well, I succombed after some of her and the “interventionist’s” trickery and deceit. I was sent to a $30,000 rehab (I estimate that the center earns $10-15 million annually net, on pretty reliable numbers).

    Fortunately while there I met a counselor and a Native American “spiritual Advisor” who helped me see that I was not an alcoholic but a victim of the whole AA/rehab/insurance industry, and that I was also a victim of my own self doubt, encouraged by that establishment. My wife and her family have been addicted to AA/Alanon/codependency theory/counseling for 20-plus years, so they are trained to look for bad genes, dysfunction. denial, etc.

    Bottom line: My wife refused to acknowledge her own addiction to therapy, AA,etc, and be a genuine person. We separated for a few years, then divorced. My children and I have somewhat recovered from the trauma of the intervention which they were coerced and manipulated into. They were told I would probably die soon after drinking heavily for a few years.We just enjoyed a vacation together where we hiked, rode bikes, kayaked, and, yes, had a few beers together at night.

    Once you are labelled an “alcoholic” the world rushes in to comfort the suffering wife, your insurance company tosses bundles of money to the treatment center, no one believes you are not an alcoholic, rumours run all over town once a few members of AA/Alanon break their anonymity pledge. Business relations are damaged. Some normal people have nothing more to do with you. Wives forbid their husbands to associate with you. You get calls from well meaning AA people who act so patronizing and empathetic, eager to help you break through your denial.

    I finally got a well respected and ethical drug counselor to give me every test possible and he concluded I was not an alcoholic, which I knew. He said I was not, but I had a wife who made me look like an alcoholic! I spent $7500 on an interventionist, $30,000 on treatment, $100,000 plus on therapy over the years, most out of my own pocket. Finally, a maverick counselor helped get me out of his own racket!

    Dear Blog Readers,

    The comments in this relatively new blog are a microcosm of what we at Rational Recovery headquarters have been experiencing since 1985. The story above is just one of many thousands we’ve heard from people who trustingly reached out for help and experienced betrayal, misguidance, and abuse. The betrayal is by the professional community whose licensed pratitioners have utterly failed to provide satisfactory services because of their personal rejection of their own native beliefs and family values. The misguidance is through exploitation of the human condition rather than enabling free will among addicted people. The abuse results from the abandonment of every principle of interpersonal helping, starting with suppression of informed consent, financial exploitation, the imposition of social cultism, denial of the moral dimension of addiction, dual relationships, and conflict of interest. The addiction treatment industry and its feeder system, the recovery group movement, have caused a great public health catatsophe, destroying more lives than addiction itself. Few realize that independent recovery is commonplace, accounting for the vast majority of successful recoveries, while the 12-step syndicate produces virtually zero abstinent outcome.

    Mark’s story, above, is typical, and his escape from the grip of 12-step social cultism was a wonderful outcome which granted him and his family the gifts of freedom and dignity. All recovery groupers should be encouraged to accept personal responsibility for abstinence, and to trust their original suspicions that AA is the fellowship of addiction, certainly not of recovery.

    Jack Trimpey

  22. FH

    One of the tell-tale signs of cult membership is extreme defensiveness whenever others challenge their cult’s doctrine.

    The defensiveness usually sounds like irrational ranting followed by personal attacks and the like, followed by cult slogans. Individuals who do this, and there are numerous examples above, are further proof to me that AA is a cult. If AA is focused on “serenity” then the reactions of cult members are a bold-face contradiction. Why get so irate and defensive if AA really “works?” Maybe the faith they have in their pseudo-religion is a facade?

    I say yes.

  23. FH

    “Review Sees No Advantage in 12-Step Programs”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/25/health/25drin.html?ex=1156478400&en=fece858e6e326bba&ei=5070

    No advantage!

    AA has “helped” a lot of people. It has “helped” them become hopeless, thoughtless drunks with a fake disease label.

    I think it’s appealing for people who consider it “free therapy” where lonely, extroverted drunks can talk-talk-talk to others who are *forced to listen* to their pointless rambling about how bad their day was and all that sort of worthless beast talk of theirs, but in a public setting. This sort of interaction is really valuable to them I gather, so they say AA “works.” It’s called “sharing.” It’s like the “sharing” of a contagious virus, IMO.

    Or maybe they got a *job* out of it, becoming a CDAC and so AA “works” for them, especially since they’re still forever free to relapse without any personal responsibility. AA has “helped” these people, see?

    It may “work” for these people, but they’re still powerless drunks.

  24. pj

    It seems sad to me that there seems to be a “right or wrong” way to help folks when thier lives become out of control due to alcohol or drug use. This is a very serious affliction (whether or not it is labled a disease) which hinders, cripples and eventialy kills.
    Syntax, words and lables. It doesn’t matter which path people take to get better, in fact one could work far better than the other for some.
    It is ignorant to assume that RR is better than AA or vice versa. When the end result is achieved, it does not matter how folks get there. Open your mind and think big. There is no one way to “get clean or sober” there is only the way that works best for the individual who needs it.

    PJ,

    Actually, there is only one way to avoid the effects of alcohol: abstain from alcohol. The “Many roads; one journey” slogan is simply wrong, and fits the definition of the Addictive Voice. “Many games; one racket” seems to better summarize the laid back, “Whatever works,” idea, which is actually an apology for AA’s own version, “The choice between our simple, spiritual program and death may be a difficult one, but…,” and, “Without AA we will perish.” Yes, those are the words of Bill Wilson, in the “Big Book” of Alcoholics Anonymous.

    For the record, RR is not only better than AA, but RR is right and AA is dead wrong. RR is the resurrection of your native beliefs and original family values. AA is new-age crap dreamed up by a man who, among other activities, talked to dead people contacted during seances he held in his home.

    Jack Trimpey

  25. J.D.

    Personally, I think that Mr. Trimpey would be unlikely to simply manufacture false claims about a blog poster. However, as others have pointed out, the issue of whether or not he did so has no bearing on the effectiveness of AVRT. If Mr. Trimpey had in fact made up the information about Ronald, it would only be a mark against himself personally and not against AVRT as a tool.

    Do you hear that voice telling you that “if any personal dirt can be pinned to Mr. Trimpey, AVRT is discredited?” In my experience, that is the Addictive Voice trying very hard to undermine something it sees as its worst enemy. Whether we are active drunks or expectant future relapsers “in recovery,” the Beast hates and fears nothing more than an approach which wants to shout the word “NEVER” at it. Perhaps this is why “one day at a time” 12-steppers, whose Beast is happily awaiting the next relapse for which it has already been given permission, are apparently so deeply threatened by AVRT that they are willing to resort to ad hominem arguments.

    Well, too bad. Ad hominem arguments are still a logical fallacy. It seems to me that in AVRT, they can also be a good example of the Addictive Voice hard at work.

    But then again, I’m still new at this. Correct me if I’m wrong anywhere, Jack. Oh… and thanks. As you might have guessed, I have a Big Plan.

  26. TRH

    Jack, Jack, Jack I can only imagine what a messy drunk you must have been. Confrontational maybe? I’m thinking blackouts and black eyes! Anyway just a little humor there. Listen Jack I ain’t mad atcha. I just expect more from a man of obviously high intelligence. Wait. That’s actually not a plus. Too smart for your own good? Boy can I relate.

    To continue, I just have to say that I do NOT speak for AA. I only speak of my experience. That’s it. I am sober today because I did not drink today. That’s it. Also I don’t celebrate not drinking because I agree that’s
    something I shouldn’t do knowing what I know about what happens when I drink. I don’t ever think I should get a reward for running from a burning building.

    I celebrate recovery because of what I do do. How I’m conducting my life today is a very good reason to celebrate. I am proud and that’s nothing to be ashamed about.

    And as for your opinion, and I think we know what they say about those, that I haven’t been helped bt AA is irresponsible because you have no basis for it other than possibly fear and anger TOWARD AA. I’m sorry your expereince was sour but maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t AA. Is it possible it may be you? I mean you remember when we were drinking and it was everybody else’s fault? Maybe that blamer is still hangin’ in there?

    And Jack I don’t troll. Not for years. This my friend was a happy accident. It has renewed my faith that I am most assuredly on the right path.

    Piece

  27. paul

    An interesting string.

    I should confess an allegience to rationality, with a belief in “whatever works” up front.

    My wife is in the “Recovery” business. She sells a variety of “solutions” to parents of troubled teens, who are rich (the top 4%), often desperate, not always discerning, and have had their families hijacked by teen manipulations and power struggles common today. Hers is a multi-million dollar company in a multi-billion dollar industry making a lot of people wealthy, chronicly and addictively busy, distracted enough to find sobriety, or just plain employed.

    She is what’s called “a recovering addict”, someone who was addicted to coke, pills and booze, not to mention general bad and spolied behavior. She also went to “treatment” at numerous well-known places, and worked at several of these places in counseling or other roles after having gone through their “treatment” — often humiliating treatment at that. They’re cults. I’ve seen them and met the people. Keep in mind that even some cults can and do help some people. But she was not made “whole” by these experiences or methods, and they possibly made her more bitter, paranoid and confused. I love her but we have a had difficult and highly irrational and “treatment-centric” relationship. The perpetual exposure to nonsense weakens one’s will to power and sense of will – and choice.

    There are no published, credentialed or peer-accepted rates of success – or proof of efficacy – of any of these programs in this industry. Period. As compared to most other clinical businesses (or even advertising), “the treatment industry” is not at all regulated (hence many of the program locations in UT, TX, ID and similar states), and many of the employees in “the industry” exhibit utterly appalling (even drunken) behavior perfectly contrary to what the accepted tenets of “recovery” and the like suggest are on path. Many programs are staffed with young and inexperienced “counselors” or “recovered addicts” with nominal “treatment training” but lots of experience using. Even physicians within the addiction research area are not agreed or even sure of what happens with addicts and chemical abuse. We do not know.

    There is only the massive contribution to the GDP and enough anecdotal evidence of some recovery (or cult-like support by people who might have found help in a variety of ways) which pushes the “industry” along. That, and well-funded, well-stocked and well-attended trade shows and social events. Lots of rah-rah often saves the day.

    I find it interesting that so many people are said to be “addicted” to SOMETHING, anything. It says something about our apparent need to quell the pains of life, and about our creative survival drives to subvert or distract ourselves from that pain. I don’t like methods of “treatment” that don’t ask any questions — and refuse investigation — but instead make people generally believe they’re sick, diseased, unable, weak, bad, wrong and the like. Some may “recover” but I’ve never met anyone who attends AA or who refers to themselves as “in recovery” that I could spend 24 hours with. These people are self-obsessed, un-fun and in error. No wonder many fall quickly into religion in cultish ways.

    Just quit — if whatever it is doesn’t work any more — quit — believe you can. Find a damn way and stop living in denial of your own power to do and be what you want. The whole damn planet needs more people to step up and stop whining, “I can’t! I can’t!”, and instead to say: I can and I will. We’re all tired of “I can’t” excuses. Cowboy the fuck up.

  28. Carly

    I am a social worker working in a busy, NYC rehab ( outpatient)… I use a harm reduction philosophy and i’m telling you, it works!!! my client retention rate is really high, and my clients trust that i will never shame, humiliate, and harass them into not using..the process for some is slow, but the outcome leaves people with a tremendous sense of worth and growth..screw the whole rehab cult..i’m doing my own thing..and my client’s are appreciative of that kind of help!

  29. Jamie

    Please elaborate on Harm Reduction Philosophy. I have a 19 year old son that I am concerned about. After leaving his alcoholic father who is now sober, i am uncertain how to approach this. We talk about his use. I am not interested in labeling him an alcoholic nor interested in intervention. I really wanted him to do the nutritional program to get his body to assimilate alcohol better. I bought all the supplements. He has not really gotten on board with me on this one. I know it would change his behavior when he drinks. And maybe he could actually drink and not get so out of it. Nevertheless, would like more info from you.

    Jamie,

    Addiction expands into the tolerance that surrounds it, and a key function of the Addictive Voice is to build tolerance for self-intoxication. Harm-reduction is an outstanding example of that principle.

    Harm-reduction is an example of the Beast of addiction running the asylum, setting policies that feed addiction rather than support addiction recovery. Harm-reduction is a symbol of the total failure of the addiction treatment industry to produce abstinent outcome. Habitual self-intoxication is a vice that has ugly and painful natural consequences, but our social service system protects addicted people from those consequences and, as in harm-reduction, even participates in the vice of self-intoxication.

    Alcohol addiction is not a nutritional deficiency; it is an acquired alcohol deficiency, i.e., dependency.

    He may view drinking as a freedom, but he apparently does not feel free to abstain. Because he is a problem drinker, he is at high risk of increasing problems as long as he continues to drink any amount of alcohol or use other psychoactive drugs. He needs to hear the truth now, even if he isn’t ready to accept or act upon it. He needs to know that when he’s had enough to drink, AVRT® is his roadmap out of addiction and into a life of his own choosing. Warn him against ever attending recovery groups, where he will be exposed to harmful beliefs and attidutes, including the idea that his family, i.e., you, are part of why he drinks. Be sure that you don’t fulfill that idea by cooperating in any way with his use of alcohol.

    Jack Trimpey

  30. Aristotle

    Blasting AA or other organizations does NOT make you look intellegent, superior, or like you know what you are talking about. Leave it out about AA. They have helped more people that you can possibly imagine. AA has more to offer than recovery. Slights and downgrading other organizations make YOU look unprofessional. Take you anger out on something else, because it is YOU who looks like you can benefit from some therapy.

    I wish you well, but I suspect the ONLY clients you will attract are those who DO NOT want to recover, which makes you look like a charlatan, a manipulator, thinking you are talking to a bunch of naive people. You will only sympathize with how angry people are and give them the affirmation to continue. There is a little known virtue called forgiveness, and it isn’t an all or none thing. Forgiveness is a little bit, for that is all some of us humans can muster.

    GOOD LUCK!

    Ari,

    If AA-bashing detracts from my credibility, I wonder why you are attempting to silence me. I am enough of a professional to know that there is no treatment for stupidity, and I will always speak out against the disease concept of immorality. In typical AA fashion, you have inverted the truth; AVRT-based recovery is for people who have too much at stake for any more relapses, and who expect more of life than one-day-at-a-time sobriety. AA is an alternative to recovery, i.e., what people do instead of summarily quitting alcohol and other drugs as a matter of moral principle.

    I understand the virtue of forgiveness very well, enough that I will never forgive evil itself. You can always come to this website for the very best AA bashing available. Remember, AA-bashing is nothing more than confirming your own original family values!

    Jack Trimpey

  31. Traci C.

    So, where are the latest numbers Jack? All I’ve seen are numbers from 1998. During that study, 65% of the 92 subjects were still abstinent after 17 months??? WOW…where do I sign up?

    You are nothing but a money whore who is capitalizing on other people’s misery. I feel sorry for you.

    I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time on you, and please be assured that I will not bother to log onto your site ever again after I submit this comment, because arguing with such a corrupt and sick person is worse than bashing my head against a wall.

    Good luck.

    Oh yeah, I’ve been RECOVERED for 17 years and still going strong. And yes I belong to AA and am happier and more prosperous than you can ever hope to be. (If you knew anything about AA, you’d know that the word “recovered” appears throughout the Big Book. Not once does the Big Book say the word “recovery.”)

    Traci

  32. Mike C

    Jack, As the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous states….”There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguements and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance– that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” Quote by Herbert Spencer Jack when you look in the mirror, the face looking back fits this quotes very appropriately. By the grace of God and the program of Alcoholics Anonymous I have been clean and sober for 20 years now and am infinitely happy. “Happy”…That is a word you might want to look up in an online dictionary as it is obviously a foreign state to you. May God Bless you

  33. Edward Monroe

    Dear Jack,
    Can you please provide some information about specific laws (besides the U.S. Constitution) that protect a persons right to walk away from an intervention. There seems to be be a widespread belief that interventions constitute some sort of legal body that can detain folks against their own will. One of my in-laws even believes that disclosing a pending intervention to the person being intervened on can get one in jail.

    Thanks,
    Edward

    Edward,

    It is intervention, not resisting intervention, that is under a cloud of illegality, especially when the subject is led by anyone directly involved in the intervention to believe that an interventionist has any legal standing to arrest or detain someone, or persuades the subject that he is not perfectly free to leave the premises at any time. You should tell the people involved in this scam that you will report them to the police if they imply in any way that the subject is not free to leave. Explain that a considerable amount of money is at stake, and for any interventionist to impersonate someone with the authority to detain or arrest is a very serious crime, a felony with stiff penalties.

    Now, here my advice for anyone who is the subject of a little surprise party orchestrated by a professional person:

    As soon as you realize that you are being “intervened” upon, get up, leave the room, and run as fast as you can out of the building and get transportation away from the perpetrators. You owe no one any explanation as to why you are leaving. When you have re-grouped, contact the family members who were scammed by the interventionist and tell them you are sorry for putting them in such a vulnerable position by stupidly drinking or using drugs. Make an appointment on your own terms at a meeting place of your own choosing for a family meeting where the entire matter of your addiction will be discussed. Be ready to talk straight based upon your understanding of AVRT®. Be ready to guarantee them you’ll never drink/use again, and be ready to apologize for your drinking/using. If they have trouble grasping AVRT-based recovery, suggest that the strongest action that can be taken is to attend the next session of AVRT: The Course, where zero-tolerance for any further use of alcohol and other drugs will be established as the foundation for eventual reconciliation.

    Jack Trimpey

  34. Edward Monroe

    Thanks for reminding us all that it is the interventionists who should be on the defensive, and not those who question them. It is much too easy to get drawn into the notion that AA is sort of an arm of the government. People seem to think that since courts can force you to join AA that if must some how be “official” with some legal authority. My inlaws that believe all that are ardent 12 steppers who call me a “dry drunK” because I stopped drinking and never attended even one meeting to do so. Fortunatlly I don’t have to see them very often.

    Edward,

    AA, following the sociopathic character of its founder, Bill W, is the Great Deceiver, a Beast in good shepherd’s clothing. As detailed in Code of the Beast, AA mimicks God without hesitation, and will just as easily pretend to legal powers it does not have. That AA has become our state religion while ACLU tries to strangle Christianity is one of the ironies of all the ages.

    Bravo to you for finally taking control! Be sure to let others know about AVRT® so they can avoid the difficulties you had to face.

    Jack Trimpey

  35. Tim

    I just want to thank you for this site. I, too, fell into the hole of treatment and AA and did not receive the answers I needed to have. I remember at one AA meeting I brought up the fact that my counselor, whom cost $218 per visit and my shrink that cost $254 per 15 minutes told me I had to go to a group meeting 3 days a week at a cost of $85 per meeting. Of course I had insurance and they were scammed as well but my point was the cottage industry that seemed to spring up to prey on individuals like myself. Man oh man, you should have heard the lifers get up and bitch about that one. After being thoroughly stomped at that meeting I decided not to go anymore and take the reins in my own hands. The only difficulty I have had since that decision is the fact that my shrink quit prescribing all those nasty drugs I had been on and had to quit cold turkey. That was worse than any alcohol problem I ever had.
    I have come across a lot of stigma since “admitting” and “surrendering” the AA way and had I known how bad it was I would have never said a word to my doctor who got me in a treatment program in the first place.
    If I had done my homework and found this site earlier perhaps I wouldn’t have had a relapse and lost my job as I know I was looking for a reason to drink again and AA, my shrink, my family all were expecting this so I delivered.
    Thank you again for putting things in the right context. After all if I don’t have control over myself then whom does?

    Tim

    Tim,

    I’ll say it again: AA has destroyed more lives than addiction itself. You are among millions who have been waylaid by the recovery group movement at a time of special vulnerability. The doctrines of AA are pristine Addictive Voice, as articulated by its profoundly addicted founder, Bill Wilson, and his addicted cohorts. AA is a fellowship of addiction, not of recovery, based upon the beliefs and values of addicted people who have no concept of recovery and who are constitutionally incapabable of being honest about why they drink/use. The 12-step program is high-proof Addictive Voice which evokes the call of the wild in every addicted reader or listener.

    Jack Trimpey

  36. Eileen

    I’ve been going to AA meetings for 21 years and I’ve only put $1-2 in the basket at any meeting (sometimes not giving anything because I didn’t have any cash). I’ve also been a treasurer at many, many meetings over the years, and money I’ve counted during each meeting has NEVER been in excess of $30-50 per meeting, mostly in $1 bills. Lots of people put in a $5 or $10 but take back $3-8 in change. In fact, the AA WSO in NYC is perpetually in the red, financially. And these financial records are a matter of public because AA in a non-profit, tax-exempt organization and MUST be available for view by the public. I realize you believe that AA is horrible, hurts people, is a cult, etc., etc., and nothing anyone says will sway your opinion. You’re just absolutely convinced that you’re right. Which is your perogative. Personally, I disagree with you.

    Readers,

    Eileen is concerned that Rational Recovery is an ordinary, tax-paying corporation, while AA is a nonprofit organization, entirely self-supporting through the contributions of members. However, a non-profit organization is a dependent organization, dependent upon charitable gifts instead of profiting from productive enterprise. Addiction is a state of progressive dependency leading to death, and AA is based entirely upon the beliefs and values of dependent, addicted people rather than the beliefs and values of independent recovery and independent, productive living. The two are irreconcilable, although many would like to ignore the fact that AA glorifies dependence and chastizes independence.

    But one thing I struggle with is that I just don’t understand how you can say you have nothing against organized religion, that RR is compatible with all religions, and yet you RAIL mercilessly against 12-step recovery, even though what it says is taken directly from religion, specifically the Christian Oxford movement of the early 1900s. Do you disagree with what Christianity says? Or Judaism, or Islam? These are the three Abrahamic, one-god faiths who espouse submission of all aspects of your life to God. And when you submit to God, oftentimes your life gets better (just what AA says). But sometimes life gets worse (or goes up and down) because God doesn’t answer our prayers the way we want him to and we are human and fallible and ultimately, God is the author of our lives. These are principles that my life-long Christian faith have taught me, and you say that RR is not incompatible with that.

    But AA says that also, and according to you, AA is a damaging cult. I guess that means that my Christian faith is damaging to me also. Oh, well, if the awesome life that I live is damaging to me, I’ll take it over any other choices, especially those that don’t advocate a reliance on God. I do know that my way of living is not causing anyone harm, especially since I’m not married, I don’t have kids, both my parents are dead, and I’m not dating anyone. In fact, it has made me a more compassionate, caring, loving and giving person.

    But I’m active in my church, I have a wonderfully supportive and loving extended family, and terrific friends in AA who have carried me through my divorce and the death of both my parents.

    And contrary to popular misbelief, “God helps those who helps themselves” is mentioned NOWHERE in the Bible.

    Nor is the disease concepts of sin and addiction mentioned in the Bible. Drunkenness is regarded as sin throughout the Bible, and the promise of God in 1 Corinthians 10, that we will never face a temptation we cannot overcome. The notorious heretic, Bill W, however, set forth Step 1 that we are powerless over the bodily desire to drink alcohol — heretical claptrap. Jesus said to “Name the demon,” not to name ourselves after the demon, and nowhere is it said that we need support in order to do the right thing. Indeed, moral action most often means acting against the group’s standards. Bill W was right, AA isn’t religious. However, it is bad religion, a false religion, a religion animated by the animal desire for addictive pleasures. AA is an emulation of Christianity, based upon the social cult, the Oxford Group which was founded and led by clerical maverick, Frank Buchman, whose house parties were condemned by the legitimate clergy of his day.

    Rational Recovery is very friendly toward the religious community, however we are highly disappointed that religious leadership including the seminaries have failed to recognize the face of evil in the recovery group movement that resides in their church basements. We are confident that sincere clergy will inevitably find Biblical truth in AVRT-based recovery, and direct their congregations away from the Big Book and back to the Good Book, i.e., the Holy Bible, which is congruent with Biblical Christianity.

    I’m pretty sure that either 1- you won’t answer this in your blogs, or 2- will come up with some attack and justification for your way of life. And that’s fine. I really don’t care as long as what you do or say doesn’t hurt another person. In fact, I recently told someone who didn’t like AA to try RR. I haven’t seen them in a few weeks, so hopefully they’ve discovered your website and are doing well. Why can’t you just do the same for people in AA?

    AA isn’t for everyone, and I’m grateful there are organizations like RR and others who deal with addictions in a “non-AA, non-therapeutic” way. There is definitely more than one way to skin a cat, and thank God for that! That way, if something doesn’t work, you can try something else. I personally don’t agree with RR, and I have no desire to try it, but I’m not trying to convince anyone to NOT try it. Whatever works! If you’re not drinking or using drugs or having compulsive sex (or … addiction of choice) and have peace of mind, however it’s gotten, isn’t that the goal?

    Jack, I wonder why it’s so difficult for you to take the above stance? It seems very easy for you to continually bash AA. Do you recall Jesus’ admonition in the gospel of Matthew to, “remove the log in your own eye before pointing out the speck in your brother’s eye”?

    I warn everybody to stay away from recovery groups of all kinds because they are based on the beliefs and values of addicted people, and not of recovered people. People considering recovery groups are on the brink of recovery, needing only some credible encouragement that they can and should make a personal commitment to lifetime abstinence from alcohol and other drugs, and then study AVRT® diligently for a very short time in order to gain confidence in their stable abstinence. At their first meeting, they are met with the crippling message that they must not summarily quit intoxicating themselves base on moral principle, but claim that they are powerless over their bodily desire to drink on acccount of a mysterious, unidentified disease. Those who resist such drivel are subjected to ridicule and the grim prediction of self-destruction by their own hand. Newcomers are extremely gullible to anything that keeps open the option to continue getting high, and naturally, about half of newcomers keep coming back for more than a month, and acquire the lifelong thought disorder, recovery group disorder.

    AA is the champion of making claims of universality, right from the start when Bill W posed the “difficult choice between our simple program and death.” Only recently, when called on their infamous, “Our way or the highway,” has AA been grudgingly, and only occasionally, admitted that AA isn’t for everyone. (I say AA is for no one.) However, that word hasn’t gotten to the “two-hatters” who make policies requiring 12-step program of drunk drivers and other substance abusers who come to the attention of the authorities.

    There are not many roads to recovery. There is but one, which is to quit getting high. Whatever works is nonsensical, because nothing works; all one can do is cease and desist from alcohol and other drugs. To reserve the privilege of relapses is just a plan to drink whenever one really feels like it.

    Jack Trimpey

    Take care, and thanks for your forum!

    Eileen

  37. Annie

    I resisted an intervention. Chose homelessness instead. When the judge offered rehab, I refused and went back to jail. When they tried to put me in a mental institution, I also resisted. When my parents sent 2-hatters in to “reason” with me, I told them I would “share” my thoughts and feelings if they would share the money my parents were paying them with me. I was aware of my personal choice and the autonomy meant everything to me. This autonomy led me to recognize I had no one to point to but myself for the conditions in which I landed and to make the rational decision to quit.

    Before I drank alcoholically, I ate alcoholically with all the pain, bottoms and fall out of every other addiction. I’m a veteran 12 stepper and have had no lasting relief from this problem regardless of multiple surrenders, meetings, 4th steps, etc. I can say, unequivocally, that AA has not provided a solution to my original addiction which had simply diversified into other substances while the original irresponsibility remained.

    AVRT is the solution.

    I’m new to it. Even as a long-time practicing AA, I can say his analysis rings true to my own experience with addiction and recovery.

    Annie

  38. Marquis

    you idiots are going to kill as many people as AA/NA does the fact is AA/NA does not work but your program does not work either i just hope that one day the truth about drug addiction comes to light. you can not treat drug addiction the same way you treat computer addiction or a gambling addiction. get a clue before you hurt another person.


    Marquis,

    I’m sure you have some clear advice for addicted people you haven’t shared here. However, you’ll have trouble convincing the many thousands of drug addicts who have summarily quit their addictions for life that AVRT® is dangerous or wrong-headed.

    Jack Trimpey

  39. Marquis

    In fairness I do feel that your program will work for a computer addiction or a gambling addiction. the problem with your program as it relates to a drug addiction is this : some drugs I.E. Heroin is that medical treatment is needed or the “subject” will stand a very good chance of death due to un-controlled withdrawl. So like I said before get a clue!


    Marquis,

    AVRT® is for the tough cases, the hopeless ones who have been in addiction treatment programs, AA and NA for many years without success. AVRT® is the only method ever devised specifically for defeating serious addictions to alcohol and other strong drugs.

    Although many opiate addicts die from overdoses, none die from underdoses. In unusual cases, persons with other health problems such as high blood pressure or heart disease may die from stresses related to withdrawal, those cases are rare and not worthy of discussion as a risk normally associated with opiate withdrawal.

    Opiate addicts are quite artful in portraying opiate withdrawal as intolerably painful and, as in your message above, as a direct threat to their lives. Their urgent pleas for compassionate treatment, which always means more drugs to alleviate the discomfort of withdrawal, have resulted in an elaborate array of agencies that provide detox centers, methadone maintenance, treatment on demand, harm-reduction services, and other programs that produce little, if any, abstinence from alcohol and other strong drugs.

    The addiction treatment industry, however, has an interest in exaggerating the medical risks associated with detoxification from alcohol and other drugs, so that millions of men and women suffering hangovers are admitted to expensive detox programs that would be better managed conservatively on an outpatient basis or with no medical supervision at all.

    Jack Trimpey

  40. Luc Bourassa

    I agree with MR Trimpey`s logic100%.
    I called my sponser last night after my last meeting and told him thank-you but no thank-you.
    The two clash to hard.I could not stand another second in those rooms.
    I have my phd now look out beast i`m back.
    Thank-you Mr Trimpey I like your human sense.
    Luc Bourassa
    Toronto,Canada.

  41. Dale

    Jack, et al, I have been taught that there are only two classes of drugs that will result in death from abrupt withdrawal. 1.Alcohol 2.Barbiturates.
    I walked off from shooting up OxyContin, among other things. Other than a little bed-rolling and stretching every muscle in my legs, there was no problem. Today I found out the feds fined Purdue 535.5 million dollars for saying that the drug was less addictive than other pain killers. Man I wish I had part of that dough! Most of it is earmarked for federal law enforcement agencies. Go figure, huh?
    I believe in AVRT, and used it years ago to change my behavior. Since then I have used drugs again, but that was me, not AVRT.
    I do observe, at times, your strident tone probably serves an opposite purpose to that which you intend. Your lack of response to questions about such individuals as you criticize in this thread do little to establish your credibility. Yes, ad hominem attacks do not invalidate AVRT; however, your own criticisms do not provide a positive counterbalance. Get off the 12 Step bashing and talk about what works.

    Dale,

    Part of the reason the American addiction tragedy rolls on unabated is that AA enjoys immunity from direct criticism, exactly as you have attempted to silence my “AA-bashing.”

    The Oxycontin travesty you complain about is a direct result of the disease concept of addiction that has been carried forward on the luminous reputation of that army of altruists, Alcoholics Anonymous, (who help other people stay sober one-day-at-a-time by telling others who still suffer from addiction their own stories of how AA saved them from death and destruction.)

    In other words, the Hollywood mythology of 12-step recoveryism casts drug addicts as a victims of pleasure-producing substances in their environments, and the sources of those substances are held accountable and liable for the harm they cause. Thus, the stupid people who knowingly consumed Oxycontin for the pleasure of it are compensated .5 billion dollars for pain and suffering. As you know first hand, you are not a slave to bodily desire, as AA has impressed on several generations of increasingly addicted Americans.

    In a recent article (Sun, July 22, 2007) in the Washington Post, exposing the social cultism of AA, this gratuitous praise inexplicably appears:

    Over eight decades, Alcoholics Anonymous, a pioneer in the support-group model of treatment, has grown to attract about 2 million members in more than 100,000 groups. Despite a stellar reputation and worldwide brand, it has never been more than a set of bedrock traditions. It has no firm hierarchy, no official regulations, and exercises no oversight of individual groups.

    In other words, AA is neither accountable nor liable for the results of their crippling doctrines, for the lives and families destroyed by 12-step recoveryism, for the predation of its predatory membership, for the suppression of informed consent on the risk/benefits of the 12-step program. Newpapers cannot even report on possible negative effects of 12-step recoveryism without “balancing” their accounts with gooey steptalk originating in AA official literature. When I am invited to speak on radio or TV, it is always with an AA chaperon, a 12-stepper to “balance” my criticisms of group recoveryism.

    America does not have a drug problem, nor a drinking problem, nor an addiction problem. She has an AA problem, and the longer this monster in our midst is defended against scrutiny the less likely we’ll ever pull out of our nosedive into national mediocrity.

    I want you to put your actions where your keyboard is. You go out and tell others “what works.” I will continue as one of the foremost critics of Alcoholics Anonymous, providing what I hope is the very best AA-bashing available anywhere. I will also make AVRT® freely available to all addicted people, so they may discover on their own (as apparently have not) that every word of AA-style recovery, spoken or written, fits the definition of the The Addictive Voice, “Any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol or other drugs.”

    The most alarming part of the way the public defends AA is that AA is just a fellowship of addiction, http://www.rational.org/blog/36/ a special interest group based on the beliefs and values of addicted people, attending the the interests of addicted people, protecting addicted people from a world that is naturally and beneficially hostile toward substance abuse. There are many fellowships of addiction, starting with the corner tavern, to the AA meeting across the street, to the substance abuse counseling guilds, to the addiction treatment industry, on to the thousands of non-profit organizations that advance the disease concept of addiction and create the elaborate array of services and protections afforded addicted people.

    Jack Trimpey

  42. kwg

    I have been watching A&E’s Intervention, and personally, I am against the program. I am glad that people are getting off of drugs and alcohol, however, a person must want the help, and not be forced into treatment. As the old saying goes, “You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink.” Using ultimatiums does not get anyone anywhere. Confrontating a person makes things even worse and what is happening you are forcing that person away from you making them feel worse than they are.

    I am just curious, what is the true sucessful rate on interventions?

    KWG,

    The true successful rate of interventions, based upon secure abstinent outcome, is zero. The incidence of independent recovery, according to AA, is quite high, according to General Services Organization board member, George Vaillant, M.D. The only people who actually defeat addiction do so on their own, along the lines of AVRT®, which is essentially a summary of universal family values applied to addictions. One-day-at-a-time sobriety is a null commitment, little more than reserving the privilege of relapse under certain “perfect” condions.

    Jack Trimpey



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